Comments on: What Experts Say About The Java Language: Humorous Quotes http://beans.seartipy.com/2006/07/12/what-experts-say-about-the-java-language-humorous-quotes/ "The time has come...to talk of many [technologies]." --Lewis Carroll('The Walrus and the Carpenter') Fri, 05 Dec 2008 03:25:18 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.5 By: Java Universities are Mediocre at Best! « The Minority Blog http://beans.seartipy.com/2006/07/12/what-experts-say-about-the-java-language-humorous-quotes/#comment-137440 Java Universities are Mediocre at Best! « The Minority Blog Sat, 22 Nov 2008 14:08:25 +0000 http://beans.seartipy.com/2006/07/12/what-experts-say-about-the-java-language-humorous-quotes/#comment-137440 [...] universities are mediocre at best. An interesting quote that says a lot is: “Ten years from now, Java will be taught in every university. Not in the engineering or [...] [...] universities are mediocre at best. An interesting quote that says a lot is: “Ten years from now, Java will be taught in every university. Not in the engineering or [...]

]]> By: RhettWilson http://beans.seartipy.com/2006/07/12/what-experts-say-about-the-java-language-humorous-quotes/#comment-48217 RhettWilson Tue, 01 May 2007 21:12:40 +0000 http://beans.seartipy.com/2006/07/12/what-experts-say-about-the-java-language-humorous-quotes/#comment-48217 Hey, Great stuff here! I'll definitely bookmark this place and come back soon. Rhett Hey,
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]]> By: JGuru http://beans.seartipy.com/2006/07/12/what-experts-say-about-the-java-language-humorous-quotes/#comment-630 JGuru Mon, 25 Sep 2006 16:07:13 +0000 http://beans.seartipy.com/2006/07/12/what-experts-say-about-the-java-language-humorous-quotes/#comment-630 Java has some strong points than C or C++!! First of all it's simple , easy to learn (devoid of pointers) & so easy for even a 10th std student can understand it very well. That's not the case with C/C++!!! With C/C++ most of the code the students memorise & vomit it in exams!!! For developers , Java is very easy to learn since there are lots of similarities between C/C++ and Java.So the learning curve is not steep. I develop Java applications for the Enterprise using Swing & also J2EE. Both of them work very well across platforms. C/C++ is not universally portable!!! While Java is cross-platform. ie., you write once, run it anywhere. That's not the case with other languages. C# is just a farce. Microsoft created a clone of Java with all Java-like features. But still C# will run only on Windows. Because Microsoft's sole empire depends on Windows O.S & applications. What a big joke that is!! There are already languages like C/C++ that can run in Windows!! Java has some strong points than C or C++!! First of all it’s simple , easy to learn (devoid of pointers) & so easy for even a
10th std student can understand it very well. That’s not the case with C/C++!!! With C/C++ most of the code the students memorise
& vomit it in exams!!!
For developers , Java is very easy to learn since there are lots of similarities between C/C++ and Java.So the learning curve is
not steep. I develop Java applications for the Enterprise using Swing & also J2EE. Both of them work very well across platforms.
C/C++ is not universally portable!!! While Java is cross-platform. ie., you write once, run it anywhere. That’s not the case with
other languages. C# is just a farce. Microsoft created a clone of Java with all Java-like features. But still C# will run only on
Windows. Because Microsoft’s sole empire depends on Windows O.S & applications. What a big joke that is!! There are already languages
like C/C++ that can run in Windows!!

]]> By: Nick Thomas http://beans.seartipy.com/2006/07/12/what-experts-say-about-the-java-language-humorous-quotes/#comment-230 Nick Thomas Fri, 14 Jul 2006 12:29:13 +0000 http://beans.seartipy.com/2006/07/12/what-experts-say-about-the-java-language-humorous-quotes/#comment-230 I write open source programs that are supposed to run on any flavor of UNIX, and occasionally Windows. If I'm writing a library, I use C, because it's the lowest common denominator, and can be used from almost any language. If I'm writing a user-level program, I use C++, because it's universally avaliable, and, unlike Java, it doesn't require a runtime of truly stupendous size to run. Neither C nor C++ is obsolete. What other language has a 5MB runtime environment, while still being fast, portable[1], and universally avaliable? [1] Whatever everyone says these days, it is *not* hard to write portable C/C++. ANSI C provides a great basis for writing simple, portable applications. There is a great wealth of open source libraries that are widely avaliable on UNIX, and are portable to Windows, for doing things that aren't covered by ANSI C. There are good development tools, too; the standard development toolchain consisting of the standard UNIX tools, autoconf, automake, gcc, gdb, a revision control system, and a good text editor are, in my opinion, more than sufficient for developing and deploying open source applications in comfort and style. I write open source programs that are supposed to run on any flavor of UNIX, and occasionally Windows. If I’m writing a library, I use C, because it’s the lowest common denominator, and can be used from almost any language. If I’m writing a user-level program, I use C++, because it’s universally avaliable, and, unlike Java, it doesn’t require a runtime of truly stupendous size to run. Neither C nor C++ is obsolete. What other language has a 5MB runtime environment, while still being fast, portable[1], and universally avaliable?

[1] Whatever everyone says these days, it is *not* hard to write portable C/C++. ANSI C provides a great basis for writing simple, portable applications. There is a great wealth of open source libraries that are widely avaliable on UNIX, and are portable to Windows, for doing things that aren’t covered by ANSI C. There are good development tools, too; the standard development toolchain consisting of the standard UNIX tools, autoconf, automake, gcc, gdb, a revision control system, and a good text editor are, in my opinion, more than sufficient for developing and deploying open source applications in comfort and style.

]]> By: tabrez http://beans.seartipy.com/2006/07/12/what-experts-say-about-the-java-language-humorous-quotes/#comment-225 tabrez Thu, 13 Jul 2006 17:14:34 +0000 http://beans.seartipy.com/2006/07/12/what-experts-say-about-the-java-language-humorous-quotes/#comment-225 > Janis wrote: > But C++ in this day and age? Who are you kidding? Hmmm. That was also the question in one of the quotes. <blockquote> Sun announces C/C++ support for NetBeans IDE March 23, <strong>2006</strong> <em>Why support an old, legacy, complex and idiotic language in 2006??</em> </blockquote> @Java: the title clearly suggests that it was about quotations about Java language. Ofcourse there are many enjoyable(more so?) quotes about the C++ language too. Doing a balancing act for every language that there is was not the purpose of the post. Alan: Yeah, Haskell especially is very expressive with a great static type system, but I don't see it too ahead in the popularity chart, so perhaps little unqualified for any kind of language bashing ;) Like Stroustrup had said: <em>"There are only two kinds of programming languages: those people always bitch about and those nobody uses."</em> :) Rick, I agree. Stepanov's interview is truly insightful. I recommend it to everyone irrespective of what programming languages they have personal biases for. > Janis wrote:
> But C++ in this day and age? Who are you kidding?

Hmmm. That was also the question in one of the quotes.

tabrez on July 13, 2006 at 10:44 pm said:

Sun announces C/C++ support for NetBeans IDE March 23, 2006
Why support an old, legacy, complex and idiotic language in 2006??

@Java: the title clearly suggests that it was about quotations about Java language. Ofcourse there are many enjoyable(more so?) quotes about the C++ language too. Doing a balancing act for every language that there is was not the purpose of the post.

Alan: Yeah, Haskell especially is very expressive with a great static type system, but I don’t see it too ahead in the popularity chart, so perhaps little unqualified for any kind of language bashing ;) Like Stroustrup had said: “There are only two kinds of programming languages: those people always bitch about and those nobody uses.” :)

Rick, I agree. Stepanov’s interview is truly insightful. I recommend it to everyone irrespective of what programming languages they have personal biases for.

]]> By: Rick http://beans.seartipy.com/2006/07/12/what-experts-say-about-the-java-language-humorous-quotes/#comment-224 Rick Thu, 13 Jul 2006 06:06:20 +0000 http://beans.seartipy.com/2006/07/12/what-experts-say-about-the-java-language-humorous-quotes/#comment-224 Stepanov's interview is great. There's nothing intellectually interesting in Java. I guess Guy Steele's "We were targetting the C++ developers, and got them halfway to Lisp" didn't work on Stepanov. Java being halfway to Lisp is pretty funny on it's own. Without the investment into top-notch IDEs, Java would be incredibly painful to develop in. Sun should either write something like Scala or Nemerle themselves, or help out with Scala or Nice. That way you can still leverage the Java legacy code. Stepanov’s interview is great. There’s nothing intellectually interesting in Java. I guess Guy Steele’s “We were targetting the C++ developers, and got them halfway to Lisp” didn’t work on Stepanov. Java being halfway to Lisp is pretty funny on it’s own. Without the investment into top-notch IDEs, Java would be incredibly painful to develop in. Sun should either write something like Scala or Nemerle themselves, or help out with Scala or Nice. That way you can still leverage the Java legacy code.

]]> By: Janis http://beans.seartipy.com/2006/07/12/what-experts-say-about-the-java-language-humorous-quotes/#comment-223 Janis Thu, 13 Jul 2006 05:12:25 +0000 http://beans.seartipy.com/2006/07/12/what-experts-say-about-the-java-language-humorous-quotes/#comment-223 > Java (and C++ for that matter) are significantly behind the state of > the art Yes, it is. But WAY more people use it, so unless I want to just play around it is a better choice. Any problem I run into will most likely be resolved by the first Google hit. > Java (and C++ for that matter) are significantly behind the state of
> the art

Yes, it is. But WAY more people use it, so unless I want to just play around it is a better choice. Any problem I run into will most likely be resolved by the first Google hit.

]]> By: Supermike http://beans.seartipy.com/2006/07/12/what-experts-say-about-the-java-language-humorous-quotes/#comment-222 Supermike Thu, 13 Jul 2006 05:03:25 +0000 http://beans.seartipy.com/2006/07/12/what-experts-say-about-the-java-language-humorous-quotes/#comment-222 Programming with Java is aggravating. You find an object method that solves the very problem you had, but no, you can't use it. Instead, you have to take your variables and dip them in other object methods like baths, changing the data into the right format so that therefore, perhaps one day, young man, you might be good enough to use that exciting object method that gets it all done. And by the way, those other object methods along the way are poorly documented or can so often be used improperly, not giving you the result you want. This also makes Java teams longer to turn anything out because they're messing with this junk all the time, or typing in 14 lines of code where I might be only typing in 2 lines of code in PHP. Next, Java teams tend to sit in meetings two or three times as long as PHP teams while the Java guys talk about the minutiae of OOP to the point of making everything an object, including the customer's toe lint if you could get away with it. Java is like Sun's idea of a really bad hoax on the programming community. Oh no, that was vi and Solaris! My goof. Programming with Java is aggravating. You find an object method that solves the very problem you had, but no, you can’t use it. Instead, you have to take your variables and dip them in other object methods like baths, changing the data into the right format so that therefore, perhaps one day, young man, you might be good enough to use that exciting object method that gets it all done. And by the way, those other object methods along the way are poorly documented or can so often be used improperly, not giving you the result you want. This also makes Java teams longer to turn anything out because they’re messing with this junk all the time, or typing in 14 lines of code where I might be only typing in 2 lines of code in PHP. Next, Java teams tend to sit in meetings two or three times as long as PHP teams while the Java guys talk about the minutiae of OOP to the point of making everything an object, including the customer’s toe lint if you could get away with it. Java is like Sun’s idea of a really bad hoax on the programming community. Oh no, that was vi and Solaris! My goof.

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